Ferret Scout Car

Ferret 54-82518 UNEF_1222_1957-07
Ferret 54-82518 UNEF_1222_1957-07

The Ferret Scout Car Mark I was used by the Canadian Army from 1954 to 1981

This page is mainly about the 124 Ferret Mk. I Scout Cars that were owned and operated by the Canadian Army.  All 124 are listed here and my goal is to try to find every one, and where possible, to match up the history and identifiable in-service photos with the survivors.

TEMPORARY NOTICE RE: PHOTOS: Due to my closing down my old website (1999-2016 March) and moving the content over to this new web site, I have to reload many of the photos and delete obsolete tables. I am working my way through the website replacing missing photos. Thank you for your patience. 2016-03-14

 

LINKS to other Ferret pages on this web site: 

Cover of my book THE FERRET SCOUT CAR IN CANADIAN SERVICE
Cover of my book THE FERRET SCOUT CAR IN CANADIAN SERVICE

Book review by Peter Brown (from Perth Military Modelling Site, Australia )

“Ferret Scout Cars were widely used in many countries. Canada bought 124 from a batch manufactured in 1954, all of the original open-topped Mk 1 type. Initially they were used to equip the three reconnaissance regiments who relied on the car’s small size, speed and mobility to scout ahead before reporting back in person or by radio. Some were also issued in small numbers to armoured regiments.

They served in Canada for training and occasional security roles include protection during Royal visits and as part of the Infantry Brigade Group in Germany until withdrawn from service in the 1980s. Several were also used in United Nations service, first following the 1956 Suez operations monitoring in Gaza and Sinai until 1960 and then in Cyprus from 1964 to 1969 during which time one or two turreted Mk 2 cars were borrowed from British stocks.

The author of this book is a Ferret owner and as such is an enthusiast for the vehicle. His account of these cars in Canadian hands is well detailed, and includes good descriptions of the vehicle, serial number ranges, changes in armament from Bren to variations of Brownings, various detail changes in headlights and stowage, user-supplied commander’s windscreens, radio installations and colours and markings alongside firsthand accounts of them in use.

Various fittings for UN service including wire cutters and a short-lived anti-grenade cage are well shown, as is the one-off conversion to carry ENTAC anti-tank missiles. There are plenty of black and white photos of Ferrets at all stages of service in all areas including the different colour schemes, exercise umpire and UN markings and even cartoon figures. Five-view 1/35th scale plans in the centre pages show a typical vehicle.

All in all a very readable account covering a lot of ground, this book will be welcomed by all Ferret enthusiasts as well as those interested in Canadian armoured vehicles as well as modellers, and comes recommended for each group.”

 

http://www.servicepub.com/
http://www.servicepub.com/weapons.html (lists Ferret book)
Ferret MK I UNEF1598 DND photo ZK-1946-17
Ferret MK I UNEF1598 DND photo ZK-1946-17

 Ferret Mk. I of the Royal Canadian Dragoons patrolling the Egyptian-Israeli border with UNEF.  Lt. Dave Sproule and LCpl Ed Foster scan the Egypt-Israel frontier during a desert patrol in a Ferret scout car as part of the United Nationa Emergency Force (UNEF) mission. Vehicle is UNEF 1598. It is fitted with a Bren gun. CAR/CFR unknown. Circa 1958-1959. (DND)

 
WANTED! Photos from UNEF that show BOTH the CAR number and the UNEF number!
 
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Ferret Mk. I Provisional User Handbook Canadian Army reprint (1966)  of 1953 May manual. (Colin Stevens’ Collection)

Ferret Scout Car kit layout in UNEF DND photo ME-979
Ferret Scout Car kit layout in UNEF DND photo ME-979
 

 

I am still learning so I would appreciate any corrections or additions.

Colin Stevens, Richmond, BC — seaforth72 (at) gmail.com 

HELP!

  1. What were the CAR (CFR) numbers of the Ferrets (and any other military vehicles) sent to UNEF and to Canada’s 4 Mechanized Brigade in Germany? Those that I have determined are below. There are still some mysteries.

  2. I also want to find out the CAR (CFR) related to each of the UNEF Ferrets that were renumbered in Sinai to UNEF numbers (as in photo above). So far only 2 have both numbers showing. This is to answer questions but also to match up surviving vehicles with photos and history. The United Nations Archives have been unable to help. 

 
 
 
 
 
IN MEMORY OF THOSE CANADIANS KILLED IN FERRETS WHILE ON DUTY
UNEF FATALITY IN FERRETS
Lieutenant C.C. Van Straubenzee, LdSH(RC) was killed when his Ferret rolled in soft sand
UNFICYP FATALITY
Trooper J. H. Campbell UNFICYP in Cyprus. His Ferret swerved to avoid an old woman and her flock of sheep on a narrow mountain road and went over a 12 foot embankment
 

UNITS KNOWN TO HAVE USED FERRETS IN THE CANADIAN ARMY AND CANADIAN ARMED FORCES

Not in order of precedence, and the list may not be complete. Corrections and additions are welcomed. Interestingly, in the opposite of the normal trend for military vehicles where they first go to the Regular Army and then when replaced go to the Reserves, the Ferret was first issued to Militia units (i.e. Reserve Army) and then were recalled and then issued to the Regular Army.

  1. 17th Duke of York’s Royal Canadian Hussars (in Quebec)   (7th Reconnaissance Regiment) (Militia, mid-1950s)
  2. British Columbia Dragoons (9th Reconnaissance Regiment) (Militia, mid-1950s)
  3. The Prince Edward Island Regiment (17th Reconnaissance Regiment) (Militia, mid-1950s)
  4. Lord Strathcona Horse (Royal Canadians)
  5. Royal Canadian Dragoons (RCD)
  6. 8th Canadian Hussars (8CH)
  7. Fort Garry Horse (FGH)
  8. 12e Regiment Blindee Canadien (12e RBC)
  9. Armour School (Borden) Combat Arms School (Camp Borden then moved to CFB Gagetown)
  10. Nanaimo Camp (in BC – 1 Ferret for training – ref. Brigadier Herb Hamm 2007 April)

CANADIAN FERRETS IN SERVICE IN CANADA

 

 

 

 

Ferret 54-82587 with ENTAC
Ferret 54-82587 with ENTAC

Ferret 54-82587 fitted with four ENTAC anti-tank missiles. The CAR is painted above the starboard driver’s window. This vehicle was sold surplus out of Calgary in April 1981 and probably went to the USA (though likely the above launchers were removed years before this.) – Colin Stevens’ collection.

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Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo EQA64-58-16

 
Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo EQA64-58-16
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 Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo EQA64-58-18 
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Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo EQA64-58-30 
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Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo EQA64-59-31 
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Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo.    Allegedly Yukon 15926 unloading in Cyprus 1964 March BUT note the parkas on the soldiers and the ice on the runway at far left. The Canadian Army’s EQA series photos show similar scene that day with that a/c at Quebec City. Likely they were loading to take Ferrets to Cyprus for UN Peacekeeping duty. Canadian Army 15PL-143969  
 
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Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo.    Allegedly Yukon 15926 unloading in Cyprus 1964 March BUT note the parkas on the soldiers and the ice on the runway at far left. The Canadian Army’s EQA series photos show similar scene that day with that a/c at Quebec City. Likely they were loading to take Ferrets to Cyprus for UN Peacekeeping duty. Note the UN decal on the tail of the aircraft. Canadian Army PL-14397 
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Royal Canadian Dragoons loading Ferrets onto RCAF Yukon aircraft # 13926 at Quebec City on 1964 March 15. Canadian Army photo.     Allegedly Yukon 15926 loading in Cyprus 1964 March BUT note the parkas on the soldiers and the ice on the runway at far left. The Canadian Army’s EQA series photos show similar scene that day with that a/c at Quebec City. Likely they were loading to take Ferrets to Cyprus for UN Peacekeeping duty. Note the UN decal on the tail of the aircraft. Canadian Army PCN 3010 
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Ferret 54-82500 of the Fort Garry Horse (regular army regiment) on convoy escort duty in 1968. It is convoying Greek Cypriot vehicles through the Turkish enclave. The Land Rover is in use by Danish Civilian police who are helping in this duty. SENTINEL October 1970 p. 34  Interestingly this is the first Ferret taken into Canadian service.
 
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Kids looking at Browning .30 calibre machinegun on a Ferret, probably at  an “Open House” event. The bubble says “Yes we had trouble with this weapon when we were in the Egypt Recce Sqn. The extractors seem to break and jam the feed pawls.”  Lord Strathcona Horse. The Strathconian October 1967 
 

SARCEE, ALBERTA 1974

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Camouflage painted Ferret of the Lord Strathcona Horse (Royal Canadians) at Sarcee, Alberta, 1974. This one MAY be 54-82510. 

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Camouflage painted Ferret CAR 54-82510 of the Lord Strathcona Horse (Royal Canadians) at Sarcee, Alberta, 1974. 

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Camouflage painted Ferret CAR 54-82510 on left of the Lord Strathcona Horse (Royal Canadians) at Sarcee, Alberta, 1974.

 
ONTARIO 1977

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Ferrets of the 8th Canadian Hussars (8 CH) at Oliphant, Ontario on October 22, 1977. Note the cold weather driver’s windscreen on the nearest Ferret. No CFR numbers are visible. (Dennis Cardy Photo?)
 
 
 

 

 

FERRETS IN DIAGRAMS

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Ferret Scout Car Mark I and Centurion tank in illustration for Nuclear Warfare Gamma Radiation survey of a nuclear battlefield. Canadian Army Journal April 1958 Vol XII No 2 p13

Canada purchased 124 Ferret Mk. I Scout Cars in 1954. In 1981 May 22, the official Canadian Forces’ disposition of these was as follows:

 

Hard Targets (i.e. Shot up on the target ranges) 23
Museum 4
CADC 1 (declared) [i.e. sold surplus through Crown Assets Disposal Corporation – first batch) 74
Funeral Vehicle 1
CADC (sold) [Second batch sold surplus] 10
Monument 10
Scrap (1975) 1
Disposition N/K (see Note) 1
TOTAL  124
NOTES: “CFR 54-82596 was listed in 1959 printout at RCD (Royal Canadian Dragoons) but not listed in Dec 65 printout.” (1981 report Officially 99 survived, with 23 shot up as targets, 1 scrapped and 1 burned. However apparently at least three were rescued from going to the target ranges at CFB Shilo.  

In reality the distribution varied from this plan. 9 of those “sold” went to the Ontario Regiment Museum. Museums receiving a Ferret included the Canadian War Museum, CFB Borden and Fort Knox. In reality some “Hard Target” designated Ferrets were saved and went to museums (e.g. CFB Gagetown has three, and the Historical Troop of the LdSH(RC) have 4, though some of those are ex-British Army. A number of Ferrets were saved from the target ranges or rusty oblivion as monuments by various means.

Of the 75 Ferrets released for sale to the public (74 + 10 = 84 above less 9 that went direct to the Ontario Regiment’s “Ferret Club” which is now a museum in Oshawa, Ontario), probably three-quarters or more of them were sold to American buyers e.g.

1. 71 were bought by Rex Tex.

2. Mark Sonday, near Kenosha, Wisconsin ended up with about 20 Ferrets, presumably ex-Rex Tex (“Mine is like Johns also,, (ex Canadian) in the same sad shape,, No sign of  the welded tag or the plate,, like it never was there,, the only ID is the Hull number stamped near the drivers hatch. Mine and another one close by came from a Mark Sonday near Kenosha, Wisconsin some years ago he acquired 20 something of them from Canada. ” – Russ Cihlar, USA 2007-04-25) Kenosha is just North of Chicago, IL so these may be the ex-Crown Surplus LdSH Ferrets out of Calgary.

3. SECO – South-Eastern Parts Equipment Company, in Southern USA. They apparently had quite a few Ferrets probably also ex-Rex-Tex.

4. RAPCO in Texas, USA had three Ferrets they they sold in Texas. Hull numbers 310, 332 and 347.  Likely ex-Rex Tex.

As a result, it is very rare to find ex-Canadian Army Ferrets available for private purchase in Canada. I have only found four (4) ex-Canadian Ferrets in private ownership in Canada! Mine in Mission, BC, Grant McAvoy’s in Abbotsford, one in Toronto area and one in Nova Scotia!

If you are bringing a Ferret back to Canada here is the US and Canadian and Provincial government’s attitudes as described to me by a friend who imports many ex-military vehicles and militaria into Canada: “The US has no interest in the fact that it’s an armoured vehicle because it is not of American manufacture. If it is registered as a road going vehicle it must be declared to US Customs outbound at least 72 hours before the vehicle arrives at the border for inspection. No drama with Canada Customs; only regarded as an overage vehicle but it would have to pass Provincial safety before being registered and licensed here.”  Colin adds: Canada Customs would also collect tax on the sale amount.

The following list is based upon a document provided by Rob Love of Shilo, Manitoba. This 1981 official document listed all 124 Canadian Ferrets by CAR/CFR number and their disposition. It listed the CAR/CFR, the Base it was released from or went to (e.g. Ont Reg’t or Cdn War Museum), its planned fate, Disposal or transfer order # and Date 

 

ID CAR Year CAR Main Photos 1981 location   Service Unit(s) Order Date Date Sort Current Owner SN Comments
1 54 82500  // Petawawa   UNFICYP DPSL 357077 Apr 81 1981-04     54-82500 served with the Fort Garry Horse in Cyprus in 1968.Hard target? This MIGHT be the restored Ferret at CFB Petawawa as that one has a very low hull serial number.
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82501 //

Photo at a school in Ontario from Digger MacDougall, FGH

Gagetown     DPSL 352223 Jan 80 1980-01      
3 54 82502   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
4 54 82503   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
5 54 82504   Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 1 of 9
6 54 82505 ./  Photos by seller in Oct. 2007 Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04 Tim in Florida 289.B.2.4 For sale in Florida 2007 Dec. (see Ferrets for Sale page – link button on left side of this page.)As it was sold out of Calgary it almost certainly served in LdSH(RC)
7 54 82506   Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 2 of 9
8 54 82507 //(RCD) Shilo   UNFICYP DPSL 352192 Jan 80 1980-01     Note the two vertical wire cutter bars. This MAY be unique to 82507.Hard target? Note 3 of the 4 at Shilo were legitimately ‘saved’ from the ranges.
9 54 82508 // (RCD photo UNFICYP) // In Cyprus with FGH // LdSH photo // 54-82508 waiting to be stripped as a range target. Ed Storey photo. Petawawa   UNFICYP (RCD & FGH?)  LdSH(RC)   DPSL 352221 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?Fort Garry Horse photo in 1960-1  http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5463539 Taken 1966-7 in Cyprus and  donated to the Fort Garry Horse Museum.  Another photo is athttp://www.putfile.com/centurion124/images/87124
10 54 82509   Petawawa     DPSL 352221 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
11 54 82510 // Calgary   LdSH(RC) CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04     Colour photos taken at Sarcee, Alberta (near Calgary) in 1974 by Tom H.
12 54 82511  //

Rob Love photo of CAR stamped into hull.

Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04 DND 296.B.2.4 Rob Love says it was sent to Shilo c. 2000 from CFB Valcartier. It is awaiting restoration right now at Rob Love’s and is owned by the RHA Museum in Shilo. It had been a monument at some point with everything welded including the wheel nuts. The DND disposal list shows 54-82511 was disposed of from Valcartier. The 4 Ferrets sent to Shilo in 1980-1 when they were taken out of service were 54-82507, 560, 566 and 611. 566 is apparently still on the ranges.
13 54 82512   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
14 54 82513 // Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Apr 81 1981-04 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 3 of 9. Although the photo is from a US dealer’s 1983 ad, it shows one of the Ferrets bought directly by the Ontario Regiment.
15 54 82514   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04 RR, Planes of Fame Museum, AZ, USA 299.B.2.4 Owner is not sure if it is ex-Cdn. CAR number thought to be 54-83514 but that was not a Canadian number, so it MAY be 54-82514. Has a turret now. In 1992 MVPA D-5 it is listed as owned by Michael Clarke, Prescoult (Prescott?), AZ USA SN 299http://www.planesoffame.org/menu.php
16 54 82515   Det Dundurn     DPSL 352193 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
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82516   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
18 54 82517   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
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Calgary   UNEF CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04     54-82518 UNEF 1222 in Canadian Army United Nations Peacekeeping service in July 1957 near El Quasima. This Ferret was serving with No. 56 Canadian Reconnaissance Squadron Photo 85 p. 41 of Tanks Illustrated No. 3 Israeli Tanks and Combat Vehicles – Steven J. Zaloga
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82519   Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 4 of 9
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82520 // Calgary   LdSH(RC) CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04 Jim G. Michigan (MVPA # 5843) 326 B.3.4 ? LdSH photo. Appears to be in Germany.
22 54 82521   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
23 54 82522  // 12 RBC Valc   UNFICYP12 RBC DPSL 352220 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Monument at Valcartier? The “22” shows up in an RCD photo as painted on shoulder armour of hull. CAR only painted in last three digits in small (1″?) numbers over driver’s hatch.
24 54 82523   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
25 54 82524    In 2007 //   Calgary   LdSH(RC)?UNEF? CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04 Canadian owner 303.B.2.4 Likely 303.B.2.4 Has North American M Series lights as was often fitted to Canadian Ferrets. seaforth72 (at) gmail.com Bought by LdSH(RC) in 2007 and it is now back in Canada.
26 54 82525  //

(RCD)

Gagetown   UNFICYP RCD DPSL? 1975 1975 N/A   Scrapped in 1975. After a fire apparently. 
27 54 82526   Petawawa     DPSL 352221 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
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82527 // // Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04     UNEF 1223 in the Sinai Desert.
29 54 82528   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
30 54 82529   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
31 54 82530   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
32 54 82531   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
33 54 82532   Gagetown     DPSL 352223 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
34 54 82533 // Valcartier   LdSH CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
35 54 82534 With UNFICYP in Cyprus // At RAPCO (Rexas) yard for sale. //

Restored in Texas.

Calgary   UNFICYP RCD CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04 Les B Texas, USA 310.B.2.4 An in-service photo of a vehicle matched up to the current owner! Special thanks to Cpl. Kevin Langille of the Archives and Collection, Royal Canadian Dragoons, CFB Petawawa.  In service photo taken on Cyprus courtesy of RCD Archives. As found in the RAPCO yard in Texas and restored photos courtesy of Les Branson.   http://news.webshots.com/photo/2295716230031780957PIbUKa?vhost=news
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82535   Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 5 of 9
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82536   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
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82537  //

After repainting white for CWM display.  

Cdn War Museum   UNEF DPSL 352227 Jan 80 1980-01 Canadian War Museum   Transferred from the Canadian Army to the Canadian War Museum in January 1980. This Ferret was in camouflage colours when the CWM obtained it. The vehicle was repainted for CWM in white with UNEF RCEME markings for display.The CWM has the correct UNEF UN decal on the front right fender but the other markings are unusual. (see top photo on this page for normal paint scheme). MWO Ross Pettit  wrote on 2008-03-11 ” I rebuilt that FSC when I was posted in Trenton.  I painted exactly from a picture of a ferret crossing a sand dune in Egypt.  So it is painted correctly according to the picture.”  This vehicle also has the later modification for the Browning 1919A4 (not used when the vehicles were white) which replaced the Bren Gun and a much later model antenna base. By coincidence, this vehicle actually served in UNEF.
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82538   Det Dundurn     DPSL 352193 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
40 54 82539   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04    
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82540 // Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04 B McWValley Station (near Truro), Nova Scotia 321.B.3.4  Info: 2006 June 03. Under restoration 2006. Tactical Sign 22A The only other marks I have found on it are a 22A in large black figures [THIS IS A TACTICAL SIGN – Colin Stevens] on the side of the hull near the top that I assume are radio call symbols. Also on the right front storage bin there is stencilled in white figures LV9-ASC 2540-99 815-7449 CAR 54-82540 also found painted on hull. 
42 54 82541   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
43 54 82542 // Valcartier   NATO in Germany CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
44 54 82543 //Photo via Digger MacDougall, FGH Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
45 54 82544 //

LdSH(RC) Archives photo. Parade in Canada.

Det Dundurn     DPSL 352193 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
46 54 82545   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
47 54 82546   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
48 54 82547  

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(RCD)

Valcartier   UNFICYP RCD CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
49 54 82548   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
50 54 82549 //

(RCD)

Valcartier   UNFICYP RCD DPSL 352223 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
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Petawawa     CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05   344.B.4.4 In 2008 this one sold out of Flower Mound, Texas to collector in Finland!  Incomplete.
52 54 82551   Petawawa     CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
53 54 82552   Petawawa     CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
54 54 82553   Petawawa     CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
55 54 82554 //

 

Petawawa   BCD UNFICYP CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05     BC Dragoons had it on issue in the mid-1950s.
56 54 82555   Belgium     DPSL 355683 Jan 81 1981-01 NATO   Monument in Belgium. (NATO HQ?)
57 54 82556   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
58 54 82557   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
59 54 82558   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
60 54 82559   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
61 54 82560 //

Shown here fitted with a Browning Mk. II .303 MG from an aircraft.  

Shilo     DPSL 352192 Jan 80 1980-01 John H ex-Rob LManitoba 360.B.4.4 Salvaged from the target ranges at CFB Shilo with permission by substituting an ex-British Army (BATUS?) ferret hull. Restored by Rob Love. Photo via Dan Sicotte.  Was for sale in 2007 Spring. WHO OWNS IT NOW?
62 54 82561   Petawawa     CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
63 54 82562   Petawawa     CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
64 54 82563 //

LdSH(RC) Archives

Ont Reg’t   LdSH SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 6 of 9
65 54 82564   Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 7 of 9
66 54 82565   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
67 54 82566 //

LdSH photo

Shilo   LdSH(RC) DPSL 352192 Jan 80 1980-01 DND   Hard target. Note 3 of the 4 Cdn Ferrets at Shilo were saved from the ranges. 54-82566 is apparently the one remaining of the 4 which actually was shot up. (Ref. Rob Love, Shilo, MB) He wrote: “The last target one is still laying in the Round Plain area of the training area here, and has suffered some fair blast damage.”
68 54 82567  

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Petawawa   UNFICYP CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05     RCD photo.
69 54 82568 //

LdSH photo

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54-82568 at CFB Petawawa Dec 2007 in front of the base museum. Colin Stevens’ photos.  

Petawawa    UNFICYP DPSL 357077 Apr 81 1981-04 DND   Hard target?
70 54 82569 //

RCD photo. Identified as 54-82569 by Darrell Zinck.

Valcartier    UNFICYP CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
71 54 82570   FMC HQ     DPSL 352224 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Monument?
72 54 82571   Calgary   UNFICYP CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
73 54 82572 //

54-82572 while with LdSH

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Photos courtesy James McNeely, NC, USA  

Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04     Ferret is now derelict in a yard in Tennessee, USA. Note CAR/CFR number painted inside the fighting compartment. This one has a unique (?) armoured roof. NOT for sale.
74 54 82573   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
75 54 82574   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
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82575 //

In Cyprus.

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As donated to the Canadian War Museum by Radley-Waters. // Dec 2007 at CFB  Petawawa  

8 CH Petawawa   UNEF & UNFICYP 8 CH; RCD DPSL 242285 Sep 77 1977-09 Canadian War Museum   Monument at CFB Petawawa in front of RCD HQ Building.  F104 (Confirmed by CMS 2007 Dec)  This is the Ferret that was presented to General Radley-Waters and it has the plaque on it.This Ferret was presented to this esteemed war-time armoured officer.  He was also presented with A Sherman and a Lynx (tracked). CFR and SN of his Ferret are not known at this time. Note vehicle has Canadian retrofitted lights, a cable reel on carrier on left side, and on rear are two loops. presumably for top strap of Jerricans when stowage rack was mounted on the rear  – suggesting that this vehicle served in Germany or in Sinai.  The vehicle was donated to the Canadian War Museum. It went back to CFB Petawawa and is outside on display.  
77 54 82576   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
78 54 82577   1 CBG Calg     DPSL 352194 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Monument?
79 54 82578 //////

 

Petawawa     DPSL ? 1976 1976 N/A   Sold. Burned in a hanger fire at Petawawaburnt in Petawawa mid 70’s? Duty Cpl must have missed checking the hanger that weekend ;).  Black as a coal mine in the hanger Mon morn.  …I have some pics of the Ferret after they hauled it out back.  … (some are in rough shape, got wet before I could scan them)” “I was posted to Petawawa fall 74 until spring 78. …  Quality of the pics is poor, but you can see the steel belts, all that’s left of the tires.I remember it took a week or so to clean the hanger. “

“I guess if they sold that Ferret, it would have been sold by the pound :).  The final word was it had an electrical short sometime on the weekend, and the duty Cpl missed the hanger on his weekend rounds.  We found it Monday morning.  No other vehicles went up with it, though lots of cleaning needed on others.  The Centurion was the last one the regiment had, I think its the one on display in front of the 8CH barracks (might be RCD now) in Petawawa.  An old REME (‘Burpy” Heinz) kept the centurion running (parts snuck up from Gagetown) until Ottawa found out we had it running.  It sat there parked until after I left for Germany.  The only veh destroyed in the fire was the Ferret.  I think the part to the right in the last photo was the side bin (escape hatch/spare tire carrier) with an ammo box on top.  I think they wanted to scavenge some parts, but not much left.  Anyway, I hope this helps with your research.
………….Rob”

Photos and story courtesy of Tpr SMITH, RS 8 CH (PL)  2007 Nov. 27 Now of Courtice Ont.

80 54 82579   CTC Gagetown     DPSL ? Apr 78 1978-04 DND   Museum at Gagetown
81 54 82580   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
82 54 82581 // Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04 Jim C, Kansas City, Missouri USA   (MVPA member)
83 54 82582   Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 8 of 9
84 54 82583 //// Aldershot NS     DPSL 352222 Jan 80 1980-01 DND   Was designated as a hard target at Aldershot (Nova Scotia) but has survived as a monument at the Canadian Forces Detachment in Moncton, New Brunswick. The condition is described as “hurting.” Photos of her as she is now are from WO Darrell Zinck, Regt’l Ops WO, 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise’s) Det Moncton. His office is 200 yards from the Ferret. 2007 November 06.
85 54 82584   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
86 54 82585 // Valcartier   UNFICYP RCD CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
87 54 82586   Valcartier   UNFICYP RCD? CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
88 54 82587 Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04     Ferret 54-82587 fitted with four ENTAC anti-tank missiles. In 3/4 view, the CAR is painted above the starboard driver’s window. In side view photo the CAR is in the normal location on the side of the hull. Photo appeared in Canadian Army Journal 1965 Vol XIX No 1 p 6.Were any others so converted or just this one? Did it go to West Germany with the ENTAC equipped jeeps? Reference Canadian manuals, this appears to have been the only one so converted.
89 54 82588   Det Dundurn     DPSL 352193 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
90 54 82589   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
91 54 82590   Ont Reg’t     SO 402848 Mar 80 1980-03 Oshawa Military and Industrial Museum   Ontario Regiment – 9 of 9
92 54 82591 //

As she sat in front on Allan Kerr’s store MILARM in Edmonton.

 

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As she is now (May 2007)  

Calgary   UNFICYP CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04 Grant McAAbbotsford, BC 388.B.5.4 Ex-gate guardian at Allan Kerr’s shop in Edmonton for about 20 years. Allan had acquired it in trade from Gord Cumming at Crown Surplus in Calgary. Kerr fitted an NOS British Mk. II turret so he could lock up the Ferret. Ex-“COYOTE” (name found painted on front top edge which shows it was C Squadron) with Lord Strathcona’s Horse. UNITED NATIONS yellow decal on green painted hull found on starboard upper hull. This type marking was used in Cyprus. Inside vehicle during cleanup  Grant found West German money, French match covers, and about 150 – .30 cal links. No CAR (CFR) found painted on hull, but found stamped into hull.
93 54 82592  

In service with LdSH(RC)  // At CFB Gagetown Museum 2007.

Det Wain   LdSH(RC) DPSL 352192 Jan 80 1980-01 DND   Intended as a hard target in Wainwright. Now a museum display at CFB Gagetown Museum, New Brunswick. Was called CAPRI while in LdSH(RC). In 2007 has unit sign 35 painted on left front fender.
94 54 82593 //// // Photos by Brad Mills 2005 May. Aldershot NS   UNFICYP DPSL 352222 Jan 80 1980-01 DND   Designated as a hard target in Aldershot, Nova Scotia but fortunately saved as a gate guardian in Truro, NS. Bins are rusting through (Dec 2007). CAR/CFR number stamped into metal, confirmed by Brad Mills 2007 Dec. 
95 54 82594   Lahr     DPSL 355125 Nov 80 1980-11      
96 54 82595   LDSH Calgary     DPSL 352195 Jan 80 1980-01 DND   Funeral Vehicle. MAY be the one in the LdSH Historical Troop, fitted with a pintle hook. 
97 54 82596   N/A       Mid 1960s 1960s N/A   Apparently burned at Petawawa, Ontario in between 1959 and Dec 1965.
98 54 82597 //

LdSH Archives photo. Believed to be 54-82597 (blurry photo)

Det Wain     DPSL 352194 Jan 80 1980-01 DND   Monument.
99

54

82598  //

This is possibly my old Ferret, 54-82598. It is with LdSH(RC) in Calgary, and has two features rarely found on Cdn Ferrets. As in photo, 598 has the first aid box on the right rear upper hull and the late (c.1969) British “Tower” lights. The camouflage pattern does not match however. // 2005 in Crown  Surplus Stores’ yard in Calgary.// 2007-04-01 ////

As received by Colin Stevens, 2007 April 1.            

 Calgary   Combat Arms School  (Gagetown, NB) then LdSH DPSL 352194 Jan 80 1980-01 Colin StevensRichmond,BC, Canada 392.B.5.4 Served with Lord Strathcona’s Horse (Royal Canadians) at time of surplus. Old Combat Arms School (CFB Gagetown, New Brunswick) Several CAS decals (2 designs, and large and small of later pattern) found under paint, as well as colour Canada Flag decals front ant rear, and Mobile Command decal was on starboard front. Also found on the front glacis (slope) down on dark green semi-gloss paint is what appears to be shipping information  to “25 CANADIAN FORCES SUPPLY DEPOT  6363 NOTRE DAME ST. MONTREAL QUE. CANADA” This paint however appears to be Canadian, not the British factory colour. Was this Ferret sandblasted and rebuilt way back in its service? Could it have been UN white at some point? Usually the army simply painted over old markings and paint jobs, but what did they do for white UN Ferrets? Were they painted over or were some or all sandblasted?Traded by the LdSH to Crown Surplus for a T-16 Universal Carrier. Sold by Crown Surplus to Bob Carter, who then sold it to Colin Stevens. WD # 36 BA 66 54-82592 CAPRI also had tower lights but had antenna mount stbd rear and different camo pattern.
100 54 82599   RCAC Borden     DPSL 352197 Jan 80 1980-01 DND   Museum at CFB Borden
101 54 82600   Aldershot NS     DPSL 352222 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
102 54 82601   Valcartier   UNFICYP CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04     An RCD photo “Canada Here We Come” with 54-82508 in the foreground  shows appears to be “01” at far end in Cyprus line-up. 501 was not in UNFICYP so it has to be 601.
103 54 82602   Aldershot NS     DPSL 352222 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
104 54 82603   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
105 54 82604 //

Detail of a photo in Cyprus with UNFICYP. RCD Archives photo.

Fort Knox   UNFICYP RCD DPSL 355982 Feb 81 1981-02 Patton Museum   Patton Museum in USA. Photo of it in Snoopy Patrol of RCD in Cyprus with UNFICYP. (RCD Archives)
106 54 82605 //

LdSH photo

Calgary   LdSH CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
107 54 82606   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
108 54 82607   Det Wain     DPSL 352192 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target? MIGHT have been saved. 
109 54 82608   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
110 54 82609 //

54-82609 as a monument about the be moved for restoration c.2002? //

Dec 2007 in RCD Tank Park display  

8 CH Petawawa   8 CH DPSL 242285 May 81 1981-05 DND   Sat as a monument from 1997 to c.2002. Still had correct DND licence plate 82609 fitted.  Now sitting in RCD tank park opposite Building F-16 at CFB Petawawa.
111 54 82610   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
112 54 82611   Shilo     DPSL 352192 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Hard target?
113 54 82612  //

In Germany? (CMP Magazine #2 via Jason Ginn)

Valcartier   Germany DPSL 352223 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   It was in Germany in 1958.

The image is captioned  “Peacekeeping- 1958 A Ferret in Germany. Note the 19 set B aerial mount”

Hard target?

114 54 82613   Valcartier     CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
115 54 82614 // Valcartier   FGH Germany  CADCI 50798 Apr 81 1981-04      
116 54 82615   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
117 54 82616   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
118 54 82617   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
119 54 82618   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
120 54 82619   Det Wain     DPSL 352194 Jan 80 1980-01 DND?   Monument?
121 54 82620 //

CFJIC image

Petawawa     CADCI 50800 May 81 1981-05      
122 54 82621   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
123 54 82622   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
124 54 82623   Calgary     CADCI 50799 Apr 81 1981-04      
ID CAR prefix CAR Main Photo 1981 location   Service Unit(s) Order Date Date Sort Current Owner SN Comments

 CANADIAN FERRETS WITH UNKNOWN CAR/CFR NUMBERS

OWNER

LOCATION

INFO

RCD //    // 2005 FGH Reunion photo via Digger MacDougall//At CFB Petawawa in hanger, Dec 2007 Photo by CMS  CFB Petawawa Hull # 283.B.2.4  No CFR found on vehicle. Could not scrape for it as vehicle has been restored and has made up markings “54 011” over the driver’s hatch.This is a VERY early hull number and there is a possibility that this is 54-82500.
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Photos courtesy of James McNeely, NC, USA

Tennessee, USA Hull # 314.B.3.4 Now sitting derelict. NOT for sale.
? Texas Hull # 332.B.4.4  One of three sold via Rapco in Texas. Believed to still be in Texas. (310, 332 & 347)
? Texas Hull # 347.B.4.4 One of three sold via Rapco in Texas. Believed to still be in Texas. (310, 332 & 347)
R. C. Sturgeon Bay, WI, USA Hull # 355.B.4.4 He bought it from Mark Sonday near Kenosha, Wisconsin. It was Mark’s last one.
Karl Florida Hull # 359.B.4.4 For sale in Florida August 2007. CAR number not known yet.
Ontario Regimenthttp://www.ontrmuseum.org/ Ontario Hull # 365.B.5.4 Now fitted with a turret as a Mk. 2/3.
Ontario Regimenthttp://www.ontrmuseum.org/ Ontario Hull # 417.B.5.4 Now painted UN white with wrong markings and incorrectly fitted with a Browning .30 Cal. (should have a Bren) if painted UNEF white.

ONT R Ferrets:
CAR/CFR NUMBERS
(one only has to find the LAST THREE DIGITS as first four are always 54-82)
  1. 54-82504
  2. 54-82506
  3. 54-82513
  4. 54-82519
  5. 54-82535
  6. 54-82563
  7. 54-82564
  8. 54-82582
  9. 54-82590
Two of the hull numbers are:
bullet 365.B.5.4
bullet 417.B.5.4 Now painted UN white but what is its CAR/CFR?
Ferret Mark II, with machine gun turret on top. Photo courtesy of Dr. Dennis P. NolanDr. Dennis P. Nolan California, USA Hull 446.B.7.4  http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_ferret.phpPurchased from Southeast Equipment Company in August 1983 for $6,500 (the going price at the time with Southeast and REXTEX.) Picked up from storage at Crown Surplus Stores in Calgary, Alberta.Tactical sign 32C was on the vehicle. Vehicle was built as a Mark I (no turret) and the turret was added later by the owner thus converting it to Mk. II specifications.Note the Canadian added M-series lights. Vehicle had disruptive camouflage paint job when bought.
CFB Shilo, Manitoba

WHAT IS ITS REAL IDENTITY (CFR)?

 

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CFB Shilo, Manitoba Hull # 448.B.7.4 When the CFB Chilliwack base was closed by the Liberal Government, the CME Museum was moved to CFB Gagetown and the vehicles were sent to various locations. This Ferret is ex-LdSH(RC) and was legally bought surplus by Crown Surplus in Calgary. Ian Newby bought it from Crown Surplus for $6,500.00. The Canadian Forces later erroneously seized it thinking it had been improperly removed from the target holding area at CFB Shilo. In 1989 was displayed on a portable bridge at CFB Chilliwack. It was painted in 2 colour camouflage and had an odd CFR number in small white numbers on the side. This number 52-03311 does not match any of the known Canadian Ferrets so this number is likely a  fake.  Its true identity is not known at this time.Ian Newby bought this vehicle surplus from Gord Cumming’s Crown Surplus back in the early 1980s. The Armed Forces, incorrectly thinking it was one of the 2 Ferrets from the ranges at Shilo, even though permission was received to remove those, seized it and the ex-Shilo one that was then held by Robert Rostecki in Winnipeg.Colin Stevens’ photos 1989 4949 -10 & 4949-11.

 
“at least three were salvaged from the Shilo hard targets; there were two removed by Ian Newby in the early 80s, and as well there was the one I got which is now with John Huddleston. In the case of the one I had, it was a stripped hull which had been laying in a gully untouched by any direct fire. I got to remove it by replacing it with a British hull.
The last target one is still laying in the Round Plain area of the training area here, and has suffered some fair blast damage.
As an aside, I am presently restoring ferret 82511. This one is listed as disposal, but must have found it’s way back into the CF museum system. Valcartier sent it to Shilo about 5 years back.” – Message of 2005-05-24 from Rob Love. 
 
One of the Ian Newby Ferrets (448.B.7.4) ended up going to the CME Museum in CFB Chilliwack. When that museum was closed, the vehicles were moved. Ferret MAY have gone to CFB Shilo or Gagetown.  – C. M. Stevens

 

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CFB Gagetown c.1984-5

 

// CFB Gagetown c. 2002

CFB Gagetown CFR and Hull # not known at this time. A CFR was painted on the hull but is not legible in the photo.Mike McKinley photo taken c. 1984-5.Believed to be the Ferret loaned by the Museum at Gagetown about 1997 to a collector for restoration.Note that it has the British late (1969) tower style turn-signals.It is now under a tarp near Gagetown, and owned by the Gagetown Museum. Held for museum in trust by MWO (Retired) Bill Mulholland?
//   // CFB Gagetown 2007 CFB Gagetown Painted as a UNEF Ferret. CFR not known at this time. Photos from Jason Meade in CFB  Gagetown.
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“Dictator”

LdSH(RC) at CFB Nameo “DICTATOR” One of 4. History of this one is not yet known.
// USA http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/your_garage/cars/5449.shtml A fellow bought an ex-Canadian Ferret Mk. I. Identity not known as yet. He posted a photo on “Jay Leno’s Garage” web site.
//  //  // // Charlottetown, PEI Photos by Gord Falk Spring-Summer 2006.Identity of this Ferret not yet known.It has the Canadian M Series lights.  Tail panel shows holes for mounting two Jerricans.One of two Ferrets there. Second one is a runner apparently and under restoration.I would like to know the CAR/CFR numbers for each of these Ferrets.
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Photo by Patrick Keenan – Aurora, Illinois USA
Russell, Ill. Mark Sonday. is the owner. Formerly called the “Kenosha Military Museum” MOVED IN 2007 to Russell, Ill.Ferret has the welded on loops on top of rear panel, suggesting that it likely went tot he Middle East with Canadian United Nations Peacekeepers (Cyprus and or/ Egypt.http://www.warwheels.net/ferret1_1Kenosha.htmlhttp://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=487315Hull number and Canadian Army Registration number not yet known.
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Photo by seller in Flower Mound, TX, USA

Flower Mound, TX, USA. Going to Finland. Ferret sold on eBay in early March 2008  out of Texas, USA.  There is apparently a US M-series light in the parts pile. It  MAY be ex-Canadian. Missing rear panel, engine cover, most fenders and bins. May be ex-Canadian as it is an early Mk. I

 

 

Main data reference is Annex A to: 12320-126-18 (DPSL 3-5) UNCLASSIFIED as relates to obsolete vehicles no longer in Canadian Forces inventory. Dated: 22 May 81 (Colin Stevens Collection)What happened to the surplus Canadian Ferrets? Many were sold surplus to the USA. Gord Cumming, of Crown Surplus Store in Calgary sold a large batch of them to US buyers, reportedly for about $10,000 US each. At the time I recall that most Canadian buyers did not want to pay so much money.Why are there so many Ferrets in Canada that were not used by the Canadian Army? The British Army was the main user of Ferrets and they used many of them at BATUS (British Army Training Unit, Suffield)  at CFB Suffield, Alberta. Many of these were shipped back to the UK, but some were released in Canada to Canadian regiments, museums and some collectors. The BC Regiment has one ex-BATUS which they restored and then named “DUKE”.  The Ashton Armoury Museum in Victoria, BC also has one obtained from Grant Hopkins in a trade. This one is also probably ex-BATUS. Many Ferrets have been imported into the USA from Canada and the UK.
 
Why do I sometimes see Ferrets with turrets? These are slightly different models, used by Britain and other countries, but not by Canada, except for some British units based in Cyprus appear to have  rented by Canadians. Photos of Ferrets with turrets in Cyprus with Canadians.

// Two Ferrets patrolling a village in Nicosia area of Cyprus pre-1968. Note that left hand one has a turret – normally seem on British Ferrets, not Canadian so it is likely a vehicle left for UNFICYP use by the Brits. There is a decal on right side of upper hull. It probably says UNITED NATIONS in yellow lettering 

ABBREVIATIONS:

bullet 1 CBG = 1 Combat Brigade Group?
bullet 8 CH = 8th Canadian Hussars
bullet 12 RBC = 12th Canadian Armoured Regiment (in French)
bullet BCD = British Columbia Dragoons
bullet CADC = Crown Assets Disposal Corporation
bullet CAR = Canadian Army Registration Number (before unification)
bullet Cdn = Canadian
bullet CFR = Canadian Forces Registration Number (after unification)
bullet CTC = Combat Training Centre (?) at Canadian Forces Base Gagetown, New Brunswick.
bullet Det Wain = Detachment Wainwright (a training camp in Alberta)
bullet HQ = Headquarters
bullet LDSH = Lord Strathcona Horse Regiment
bullet N/K = Not Known
bullet NS = Nova Scotia
bullet Ont Reg’t = Ontario Regiment (Oshawa, Ontario, near Toronto. They started a museum and they operate these Ferrets.
bullet UNEF = United Nations Emergency Force in Sinai c.1957 between Egypt and Israel. There was later a UNEF II (UNEF 2). UNEF Ferrets were originally painted green and later repainted white with UN blue markings. 

 

The Lord Strathcona Horse Historical Troop operates a number of restored ex-military vehicles including 4 Ferrets which they have named: Dagger, Drumheller, Dieppe and Dictator. http://www.strathconas.ca/historical.php

I would appreciate any corrections or additions, especially serial numbers and names/addresses of current owners. I would also appreciate photos of ex-Canadian Ferrets, ideally with identification as to which one it is, and then I can update the data base.